Cross Creek Programs
The Cross Creek Programs, often referred to Cross Creek Manor for the girl’s program and Cross Creek Center for the boy’s program were (and still is) operated by the controversial World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (and Schools) WWASP(S). Opened in 1988, by Robert Lichfield and Brent Facer, CCM was Lichfield’s first facility and largely considered the “hub” of the WWASP conglomerate. Cross Creek Center for boys was later added in the late 1990’s. Many former students have reported abuse at the facilities. Many former staff members of Cross Creek have gone on to start their own programs modeled by the WWASP system, many of which have been investigated and closed due to evidence of child abuse.
One such program, Horizon Academy, owned by Jade Robinson, former administrator of Casa By the Sea, shares the Cross Creek facility and has been reported to have “bought them out” effectively merging the two programs. In typical WWASP fashion, a new identity for the combination of Cross Creek and Horizon has been developed, they are now calling their program Youth Foundation Inc. (youthfoundationinc.org)
The former Cross Creek Manor is up for sale: 591 N State St La Verkin, UT 84745
Rules and Regulations
Staff
Karr Farnsworth
Karr Farnsworth have served many roles for WWASP in the many years he has been involved in WWASP. Farnsworth met Litchfield when both worked at Provo Canyon Schools. He served as WWASP president until 1998, when he was replaced by Ken Kay. He apparently the served as a Trustee for the company. Then, in 1999, he took an ownership interest in the Cross Creek Programs, where he still serves as Administrator.
Survivor Testimony
Torment and Torture at Cross Creek Manor – By Angelique
Anti-Queer Brainwashing at Cross Creek Manor – Xandir’s Story
Xandir O’Cando tells Cross Creek anti-queer brainwashing and abuse story at Bawdy Storytelling
Psychological Torture – Lifeboat process in WWASP Seminars – Meyla A.
Anonymous, 2007
Stephanie’s story, 2004
“Female student mistreated at Utah & Jamaica” – Lyndsay, 1999
Elizabeth’s story, 1995
“A story of teen sex abuse & mind control in teen prisons” – Anon, 1993
Survivor Testimony – Tia Foster
One Survivor’s Report – Kelly Adams
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Would a map of the rooms inside be helpful?
anything and everything is helpful!
I made an appearance! Uploaded a video.
I went there as a child, ages 12-14 in 2007. I’m now 25. I recall a ton of abuse, no mental help. Constantpy restrained by big Samoan guys, 6’2″ and 250+. I was small, still have a chip in my hip from the abuse, I struggled for years after I left from the abuse. This place was evil. Very evil. Wwasp is a bad organization. I hope justice comes to you.
Cross creek survivor, time served 1995-1996. I turned sweet sixteen in lock up. I am 44 now, still get chills thinking about this experience.
Hard to find words to describe all the feelings. No teen should ever have to experience what these toxic places call treatment. Glad that hell hole CCM is shut down, in my opinion all similar programs should be as well. We need better oversight and trained professionals providing evidence based REAL help.
My heart goes out to all who have scars from time spent in these horrific places. I often think of the girls I was with- I hope they made it out and realized what amazing young women they were.
To all the survivors- stay true and strong, let your past be your strength. Much love to you. Glad we have eachother. It’s hard to talk to people who don’t know about these places- not many people can wrap their head around being kidnapped and sent to be ‘broken down’ as a young teen. And not for murder charges or violent crimes- for having anxiety and depression…??
Shame on Utah and places that allow these abusive places that charge thousands of dollars to provide “treatments” that result in further damage. Shame on the excuses made to keep cashing the checks.
We all know it is abuse. Time for change is now.
I also was a teen at CCM, it’s amazing how many of these facilities are out there and still able to traumatize children and brainwash parents. Thank goodness it’s starting to be uncovered and outed. Sad it’s all money driven and yet we all have trauma due to these facilities.
I was there in 1999.i was 17 and had my 18th birthday behind that white fence. I witnessed a lot of horrible things but I kept my composure and wits untill I learned that I was able to be released by 18 via court order but was told I had to stay regardless untill completion..
Horizon academy and cross creek academy ruined my life and distant drums was an escape from all the torture coping with life has been difficult
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I was a inmate at cross creek academy from 2000-2002. I was betrayed by family and kidnapped during the day. The kidnapping resulted in two full on adult fist fights between me (a 16yr old) and grown men. Two years under Brian Parker my therapist Mary my family clinician and Ron Garret. For over 20yrs I found myself in and out of prison. Relationships completely non existent and lost. The abuse suffered at places like these won’t stop. I’m now a father. If you want anything to go away, don’t buy it. If you are lucky enough to still be alive after long term abuse. And you have come out of that hole. Stop looking for others to solve problems. Look inward. It’s there.
Love is all I have left.
No more hallways and stained floors.
No more loss.
No regrets.
I hope everyone can find what they seek. All you do is look within. If you survived cross creek….well ya know…..
To Jon Jones, Corey Callaghan, micheal stratman, Bobby Santiago, and especially Clay Denney. May you find peace and love in your worlds.
I did half my time in solitary confinement “the hole” on tile floor 8 hours a day and the other half of the day “tapes”…I developed a bad hemmoroid from all the hours sitting on “tile floor
I was there for half a year in 2017. Pretty sure I was in group 5 with a tall counselor (he went to BYU) and a family rep who seemed to always be crying (his wife worked there and they had a son who attended the school years prior). Personally, my experience wasn’t all that bad. I learned quick that if you complied (no matter how dumb the rules) your time there would be a lot easier. Having said that, there were a lot of kids who didn’t and they paid the price. The notion of “staff buddy” was insane. You couldn’t speak to anyone, but staff and you could only speak about 5 specific things. You’d have to sleep with lights on, shower with the door cracked open, and listen to educational video tapes all night. I never saw any physical abuse, but there was a lot of mental abuse (direct and indirect). You get to a point where you’re so institutionalized that you forget there’s an outside world. That facility becomes your world. I’m 32 now and I still get the occasional nightmare of being there.
For anyone who was in group five from January 2017 – June 2017, I think about all of you often. Will, Lou, David, Brett – hope you guys are all doing well!
Fuck this place Ron Garrett is a hoe and so is Karr bitchass Farnsworth
Yeah I was at cross creek very fortunately for only 8 months cause my parents pulled me out. I want to share my experience I was incarcerated in group 2 Darrel group as horizon academy shares the property with cross creek anyways this place is torture fucked me up real being there time goes by real. The staff will “restrained” and thrown in in isolation if u get out of line. Luckily I was there in 8 months some people was lucky like me served a minimum of 6 to 10 months other kids was there forever for fucking years no opposite sex no communication with females I got in trouble given tapes in tape room which is a cruel agonizing room where u listen to the monotone tapes and just rotn basically just because I had relations with a girl there I took the blame for her cause she was close to graduating the program. But it gucci my parents were asians spoke weak english easy to “manipulate” but however writing letters and waiting just waiting to hear a response back. Also I had plan which significantly got me released earlier . I keep on fightig other students kept on getting jumped and slammed and wrist locked until my wrist broke but then I got a visit and I was on staff buddy no privileges
God Bless EVERY SINGLE PERSON who had to go through Cross Creek for even a damn DAY! My (now sadly ex) girlfriend “survived” that place, IF you can even CALL IT THAT!! The detailed stories she would share whenever she needed to were heart wrenching to hear, I could not even imagine having to physically and mentally go through that! She was there for 9 months. When they took her from me, I thought that I was going through Hell, but I was nowhere near La Virken, Utah.
When she finally was “released” I am so unbelievably honored that it did not completely ruin the woman I loved. That I did and always will love. I don’t honestly know how she was so strong to endure all of the mental abuse and assaults she had endured.
I know she “played by their rules” to get by, but I could always see it in her eyes. The pain that will NEVER go away.
I wanted to throw a damn party when I heard they were finally FINALLY shut down!!!
Any one who ever had to enter those doors… you are never alone! Survival is difficult in plain everyday life, but to go through all of that… God Bless You All!
(Or Whatever You Believe In!)
I worked for Robert Litchfield and dated his Niece Maybeth when we were ar Dixie college together. I took a job at ACC (the boys side Adolescent Center for Change) as a resident manager. I was so hapy to work with what I felt were normal teen age boys but felt bad for the way most the staff treated them. I never had to restrain a kid and never would have but saw it happen too many times. Bob and Narvin Litchfield were evil and Kare Farnsworth was a piece of shit. This was a level of greed that played on parents and their teen age kids who didn’t need to be there. I quit after I learned what they would do in “Seminar” and never worked in the field again. I sincerely hope the boys I worked with are okay and fear some or most are not. I’m so very sorry what u all went through at these evil facilities.
It’s 2021 and I know of a school here in indianapolis. That do these same things and have the same policies I almost wonder if it’s still the same. One girl was raped by an employee. And my son was beat up daily while staff watched and did nothing. The parents “because of covid” were not allowed to see our children for MONTHS. While they called us crying the first few times. They convinced us they were lieing and just wanted to come home. They quickly learned crying on the phone got them in trouble. So phones call after that were very silent. Quick. Yes No. Yet always ran past the time because he never wanted to get off the phone. I know when my son went in was not the same boy when he came out. Yet they admitted he did not benefit from their program, because of covid was not able to utilize the school full potential. But wouldn’t let them go home either. So it was prison none the less. My son still will not talk about everything that happened there.
I was there 1999. I was 17 and had my 18th birthday behind that white shitty fence. I fortunately was only there 6 months before I learned I was able to leave via juvenile probationary period ended but was told I had to stay untill program completion. So of course I halled ass out of there. But I had no “exit plan” they dumped me 100 miles into mesquite Nevada with 5$ and 10 Camel cigarettes. A backpack and the cross creek uniform still on my back. Right on the side of the road. Guess what, I was told once I left I would never make it. I’m 38 now and very much alive. If any of u remember me. 1999. From Florida.. especially my best friend in the joint: Beau funk. I miss u buddy. I’ll never forget praying with you every night to make it out alive.
U should watch Netflix the program cons,cults, kidnapping
HORIZON ACADEMY HAIKU
Fuck Chaffin’s Fat Ass
He is just a greedy pig
With a bad record
Hell on earth.
My adoptive mom sent me to cross creek programs boys side in August 2009 and was taken out in August 2011. It was horrifying. I’m still having nightmares up to this day 13 years later (posting this on July 4th, 2021). When I arrived, I was put into group 5. I remember it all like it was yesterday. While the non-stop abuse was the worst thing that happened to me, their was one day i experienced that was very different from the rest and that was the day when one of the last students from group 5 was leaving cross creek and one of the students from another group said to me “You’re the only student from group 5 that is still here”. I had been their for over 1 & 1/2 years on the day he said that to me which ended up making me feel bad. Even though I didn’t like any of the group members and refused to work the program, I was almost always the center of attention so to wake up one day only to realize that I’m the last member of group 5 still in the program made me feel like I had been left behind only to be forgotten. It made me very sad because i felt I had been abandoned again. Craig Hansen was my 1st therapist, then when he left it what thane, then eventually it was garth. After about 14 months in the program, ron garret brought me into his office and told me I no longer have a therapist and of course I was excited about that because the therapy at cross creek programs was nothing but garbage to me. My adoptive mom was so determined to win that she was willing to keep me their until I graduated the program so I waited impatiently for 25 months until she ran out of money. After that, she sent me to another program less than a week later. It took me almost 3/4 year to battle my way out of their. Up to this day, I still cannot adapt to society. I almost never go out in public anymore and if I could voluntarily go to prison for the rest of my just to avoid the pressures of reality I would be more than willing too. Dave Salmi (Karr Farnsworth grandson) is an obnoxious ruthless prick and I hope he isn’t still working in the Troubled Teen Industry but if he was I would not be surprised in the least. Ron, Rita, and Craig Hansen were the most evil tyrants I’ve every met in my life. Narvin and Robert Litchfield will be punished sooner or later. It’s just a matter of time before their luck runs out. Not even the worst thing a child can do give the parent or guardian the right to send their child to one of these facilities. I pray for the victims and their families every night 🌙 before I go to bed. Let’s destroy the Troubled Teen Industry together! #troubledteensfightback
Hey my name is Megan coyner i went to cross creek in the years between 1995-1997 i was in B group and thane was my therapist some of the people in my groups names i remember are gaby,miranda,elizabeth,erica. im just trying to get a hold of anybody i connected with while i was there i remember going through the discovery seminar and they would make us roll up towels cover them in tape and beat carpeted walls while everyone was screaming and i remember being so tired but they would get mad when we would stop and start yelling at us to do it harder and let out our anger i remember being so mentally and physically exhausted i was here for more than 2 years and when my bishop, yes i said bishop not my parents came and rescued me and refused to pay for me to stay longer my parents finally let me come home and i was never able recovery mentally and adjust back into regular society because i have such severe anxiety attacks that affect me till this day cause of this place.
I got there in ’97. I remember Thane, but I wasn’t in your group. I don’t remember what group i was in, but I had Brian Hansen….
Hi Megan. I think I may have been in your group. I was there 18mo, starting sometime in 97′. Thane was my therapist as well. I hope life is getting better for you. The facilities program had me messed up for years. I am finding that as I grow and heal, that time gets farther and farther from my mind. It also made going into the military a breeze. 🙂 It was easy after that madness. I do hope all is well for you now. And you find the joy in life you deserve.
I was there in August of 1996. I do not remember much at all.. I just know that almost 30 years later, I still have trauma connected to my time there.
I was “lucky” enough to only spend two months there. I was kicked out because I “wasn’t working the program.”. I had found out I was pregnant shortly after I got there.
Hello Gloria,
I also had Brian Hanson as my therapist. I believe I was there from 1997-1999.
Hi my name is Shelley Karn and I too am a survivor of that hell hole. I was there from 1995-1997 also. Rob was my therapist and I can’t remember if I was in group A or B or Z lol. Seriously looking to connect with others that were also there during that time. Trauma up the wazoo from that place.
Hi my name is Joey and I was a student at Cross Creek in 2002 – 2003. I was in group 6 with Craig Hanson as my therapist. If you were in group 6 than you knew how messed up Craig was to his kids. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I am planning on writing a screenplay about my 11 months at CC and my 4 months at CASA.
I was in group five and six with craig. Right around the time you were. Not cool at all. Should be a good screen play lol.
OMG Wesley T. W. Craig PHD! That guy was a quack. I hated that man! He kept pushing MPD on his girls. They never displayed those signs before he got a hold of them. I hate that man with a passion!
Wrong Therapist, I was there from 90 through 92..I still have trust issues to this day.
Michael (pronounced Michelle) I remember you!
Justin remember me? I literally just left cross creek after a short visit. I was on a road trip and decided to stop in. How are you?
Phil engender me. It’s George. We used to sneak my letters to my girl. I was in John’s group with you. We got caught talking as low stages and separated
I was there at the same time that place messed me up for years.. I was in ISO all day everyday… Craig attacked me in group my slamming me to the floor for talking out of turn.. Sam umi wooped on me case Adkins did the same so did Chris Tony Dallas all of those cowards…
Hey what years were you there? I was there 2003 – 2004. In with group with Craig then moved to group with John. Got pulled out after 8 months
I was there 02/03, I had Thane as a therapist.
I was there 02/03, I had Thane as a therapist.
Dude I remember Dallas, tall ass muscular intimidating mf. He did my intake. Brian Parker was my therapist unfortunately, craig was ok cause he would let you get away with shit. I spent 16 months in cross creek, what a waste. I remember that shitty tape room, listening to the same tapes over and over filling out those stupid sheets. Crazy how the wasp dynasty keeps changing their face and name to manipulate parents. Cross creek manor is now an adoption facility, go figure.
I remember this guy Eric Rost…doc marten wearing skinhead punk…just kidding, how are you eric?
Hey. I was in parkers group too. What year were you there
Yo i went into cross creek in 2004 and i was in group 7 with Mr. Parker then Group 4 with Mr. Thane. My older brother also went into cross creek before me and was in Group 7. Cory Padilla, maybe you remember him. I refused this program for 14 months, always on staff buddy and locked in iso until my mother didnt have the funds to keep me there so i was released and sent to live with my dad. Shit still haunts me to the day the things i saw go on there.
Damn I remember Dallas haha. I was there from may 2001 to august july 2002. Worse fucking time of my life. Inhad brian parker as my therapist and he was a fucking beedy eye
d canadian piece of shit. I remember Craig too and the kids in his group were always fucked up and acted stupid ass shit. Fuck that horrible place and everyone that worked there. I’ll never forget that damn room where you had to sit and listen to tapes and take that quiz on it. That place fucked kids up even more than ever helped.
I remember Dallas and Sam and Craig and all those guys. I will never forget that fucking worksheet room! No talking or any other work allowed, no laying your head on the desk, no windows, no clock, nothing. You just had to listen to those god awful, annoying sounding tapes and then take a test after. Each tape lasted almost an hour and you did this the entire day, every day, except a quick break for meals. That room is enough to drive anyone insane.
Dude I remember Dallas, tall ass muscular intimidating mf. He did my intake. Brian Parker was my therapist unfortunately, craig was ok cause he would let you get away with shit. I spent 16 months in cross creek, what a waste. I remember that shitty tape room, listening to the same tapes over and over filling out those stupid sheets. Crazy how the wasp dynasty keeps changing their face and name to manipulate parents. Cross creek manor is now an adoption facility, go figure.
What’s up Drew?! I remember Cory Padilla. You left soon as you turned 18. I was in Parker’s group with you.
I was there from May 21 2001 to August 16 2002 in parkers group with Mary. I remember cory padilla, Jeremy sun, jeff perotti, trevor latson, david bumpass, Damian, drew, ricki mcmaster, lauren, Ashley both guys btw. Colin, chase woods(later randomly bumped into him in Richmond Virginia) therapist craig, jeff. Dallas that asshole. That dick head ex Mexican army guy who always said this is not burger king, you cannot have it your way. I remember those seminars Discovery, focus, accountability and those other ones for level 4 and 5 fags. I only got to level 3 after 14 months. Most cross creek ppl I’ve talked to now have drug problems or have died because of drugs, that should tell you a lot. Wasp is a business and they only want your parents money, they don’t give a fuck about you or your family. I learned a lot about myself there, that i never want to be locked up again, i love my freedom. I try to forget about my time there but it is like a recurring nightmare. Cross creek manor has changed hands but that place needs to be burned down, i hope it does. Parker is a piece of shit, scum of the earth. He found a journal i kept and put me on suicide watch for 2 months, he didn’t like me because i hated sports and didn’t like him. I’d fuck his wife tho lol she was hot.
hope your doing well. I was trying to lookup Ricky Mcmaster and ended up down this rabbit hole.
I was in group 4 with thane for all of 2006. Anybody else there at the same time?
I remember some of your guys names. I was in group 1 from 2004-2006. Vorheese as my therapist. As much as I hated that place, I don’t hold any resentments towards it. Just another obstacle in my journey. I don’t know if this place is still up and running but for anyone looking to send their children there, think twice. It took many years for my parents and I to resolve our differences and i lost out on a lot of things children shouldn’t have to miss. I can’t say I didn’t learn from it, but I can say it wasn’t necessary. I’ve had friends who went there that ended up dead when they left. I’ve had friends who went there and are happy now in life. They called it brain washing when I was there, but from that experience I was taught that I can handle anything life sends my way. I was fortunate when I went there, but I have many friends that weren’t. Just food for thought. To all you out there who shared that experience, you’re not alone.
I was here around 04
George Tofaeono
Always in the tape room🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wax at cc from 2003 to 05, that place is horrible and I don’t know how it wasn’t or hasn’t been shut dow
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Hey Mike! It’s crazy to read through here and see all the familiar names. I just want to apologize for the way I treated you while I was there. Get in contact with me. I’d like to catch up with you. I was there from February 2002 until March of 2003; group 8 w/ John Rhodes.
Scott! Hey bud it’s Mitch from group 8! We gotta contact eachother!!
Mitch from ny? This is George from group 8 from Los Angeles.
Michael Hall, When in 2003 did you get there and what group were you in? You name sounds familiar.
@ cross creek from 04-06 horrible experience they condition your brain so drastically when i got out in the real worl i could not function in public or be comfortable around people for years i would get horrible panic attacks and though i have gotten to be much better i still get those panic attack type feelings from time to time anything you want to help for this site let me know!
@ cross creek from 04-06. Colin I’m glad your alive. Yea it was absolutely horrible. I remember the cock roaches in the kitchen, I remember seeing cock roaches crawl over the food when I worked in the kitchen. Mice/rats in our rooms, you’d find their feces in the drawers on your clothes. I remember constantly having some kind of foot fungus. The Food was the most disgusting food I’ve ever ate. If it wasn’t for people like Colin, my group members, my friends. I would have killed myself. I mean that literally, I would have committed suicide. Since leaving Cross Creek, I relapsed on drugs specifically heroin. I was Homeless for over a year. I finally got help. I’ve been clean for a few years now. I still have dreams where i’m trapped there not knowing when i’m gonna be able to leave. Having your freedom and humanity stripped away from you like that, leaves a scar. I suffer from agoraphobia and don’t leave the house much. It’s been 9 years and I’m still not free of that place. I’m not sure if I ever will be. let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Hey guys!!! I was in your group for about 2 months before I luckily got pulled out. Not sure if you remember me but I sure remember everything that went down and what a nightmare that place was. I too suffered a lot of social anxiety/agoraphobia from that place, but I can’t imagine what it must have been like for either of you. If you want to talk more, feel free to send me an email at sporter8989@gmail.com
Peace
Wow. So good to see you two on here! Jeff Grove and Colin Pyrcz!
Tanner, I think we were in the same Discovery seminar
It’s scary places like that exist. Fuck Ron Garrett and all the staff that enjoyed bullying people there
Hey fellow survivors of that shit hole.. IDK if you remember me or not but I also was at CC from June 04 till Dec 04 where because of my behavior was “punished” by being sent to Red Cliff Accent, which might I add was the BEST punishment EVER compared to that place. I then graduated and went to another shit hole, not “quite” as bad as CC but still no place for anyone specially growing teens with young minds called Discovery Academy where I was later pulled in late 05 damn near 06.. Id really like to get in touch with everyone who was there around the same time to catch up. All is well on this end but still suffer from countless nightmares and have trust issues with the human race lol. Any who hope all of you are alive and well.
Forgot to add I was in group 6 with Hanson as my “theRAPIST”
Jeff what up email me or something man!
I am Willy Modisett’s mom. He was in Craig’s group and was there 2006-2008. He has been in trouble and incarcerated since. Does anyone remember Willy? He was from Texas. I’d like to know what really went on.
Waddup Colin! I was in ur group with Jeff. I’m the asian…lol. Hope all is well with you man. I still can’t believe I was stuck in that place. It’s hard to grasp the fact that we were all there. I think the place is shutdown now right?
Shit dan wuddup I remember we were roommates for quite a while til you were pulled i think right? what up bro!?
Yes!! That’s me lol. We did room together in the other facility off the main campus. I been good man. Been over 10 years and I still remember every detail. Hope all is well with you.
Hey guys, I know it’s been years since you commented or even we’re in this hell hole lol but I remember most of you here. I was also in your group in 2003 was there for only 8 months. The place is shut down, but just down the road is a new one and Parker is in charge of it. I hate that man still till this day. That man and place have caused some issues in my world that idk if I’ll ever get over and I am almost 30 now.
I post this on Youth Foundation Inc facebook page I was told to post it here hope it helps I was at cross creek for 15 months June 2 07 to September 3 08 what I talk about happen to me two to three times a week for as little as not sitting when asked not hurting myself or anyone else just not sitting down and mind you this went down in fount of two higher level kids watch by the way I tried to get all that paperwork that was written down by the two staff and the upper level which they would not let me see than or get now which I called them asking for them which they said they would not let me see them
you want to hear about my story of this place back when they was called cross creek programs must of had to change name’s for the fact torture to children got out.what happen to me i was restrained by three big 250- 350 + pounds guys and they would take me down hard then lay a cross my back one on my upper back one on the lower part of my back and one a cross my legs and they would lay on me intell i was choking and more then not they would wait intell i passed out.one time i passed out i woke up from passing out with them still on top of me.i still have back issues to this day . don’t take my post down this time like really have some accountability for what you did….I don’t know how many time you had big guys toss me on the floor as staff was yelling at me telling me to have accountability as they lay across my back as I am just trying to get air which is really hard to do with three guys laying on your back with all of them putting all there weight on me they made me pass out more time’s then I can count in there S.N room which was smaller then a jail cell with no bed just enough room for them to lay you out and crush you it your turn to have some accountability
Nick Lema was probably 1 of the three kids I met there who really needed cross creek. Lol The reason they restrained him over 50 times was because they needed to. This kid was absolutely crazy. He would flip out for no reason at all, and was a danger to himself and others. Lol I was in Craig Hansen’s group 5 with him. He was a tiny dude but extremely strong that’s why there was three huge ass dudes restraining him every time. I witnessed all 50 times this kid flipped out. CRAZY kid!!!! I agree that cross creek is punishment for being a young adult and they do use brain washing techniques. And they lied to parents all the time. I would guess that maybe 10-15% of the kids that were there actually needed to be there. I didn’t need to be there and that place scared the #### out of me. However I was and am extremely smart and manipulated them as they tried to do the same to me. I played there game and worked up the level system. But it was because I was terrified with the threats of “we will send u to jamaica if u don’t comply, where they can keep u till 25 and have rights to do way worse things” or ” we spoke with your parents and if you don’t stay we are going to go to court and take away ur rights till 25.” So I kept my mouth shut and played the game. Then walked when I was 18. I remember that day they told me if I left I would most likely die. Lol ya that’s why I am currently finishing a bio engr major and am on the way to medical school. I was sent here for smoking a little bud and back talk.
Oh and I was illegally taken here when I was 17. Because 17 is an adult in louisiana. They restrained me and brought me across borders. I had to stay there for 6 1/2 months.
I remember Nick Leema and Taylor Meeker, Also this on small nerdy looking kid Dallas used to fuck with all the time he and I got sent to distant drums together. Anyone remember the kid that went on hunger strike and had a tube up his nose?
Bradley- Taylor Meeker is my older brother. I’d like to get ya’ll in contact if you want! Feel free to email me trssiblings@gmail.com.
I remember you Nick we used to be in the same group together. I know exactly which guys used to lay on you cause they did me to. I used to be in isolation every week.
Cross Creek Program is closed and their website has been removed. Horizon Academy (Utah) states on their website that they are closed. They have morphed into Youth Foundation, Inc. and Youth Foundation Success Academy. They have been evicted from the Cross Creek property in La Verkin and are moving to the old Diamond Ranch property in Hurricane next weekend.
There has been talk about re-naming it, and the YFI website has gone black. Chaffin Pullan is the current “administrator”. Jade Robinson is supposedly gone, but his wife still worked there a couple of weeks ago.
BTW – David Gilcrease (Resource Realizations) now claims to be a physicist. Who knows? How does that help these kids? Maybe he can help them enter another dimension until their sentence is up.
I was in CC from 2003-2005, such an insane experience I can’t even explain, only the kids who were there will ever understand. Reading through this thread and seeing so many familiar names really brings me back, justin, Colin, I knew lots of these guys, one day we all need to meet back up and exchange stories, wish all of you the best, I know first hand how hard it can be adjusting to life outside after going through such a traumatic event, God bless!
Nukin Futs. Rob Seher! 🙂
Tanner Springer, when were you at CC and what group were you in? Your name sounds familiar
Rob my brother from another mother hit me up!
rob seher i watched you come and go brother i was there for 22 months i still have a lot of internal struggles the place was fucked no doubt about it and all in the name of money i got to catch up with some of you guys who were there around my time from 03 to 05
hey man, i was there in 2003. about 8 months, jeff cannon, quiet guy never talked to anybody. got pulled out because i stopped eating, lost about 100 pounds
Mike, when were you at CC and what group were you in? Your name sounds familiar
Rob, when were you at CC and what group were you in? Your name sounds familiar
I was at cross creek in group 5 with Craig Hanson from 2002 to 2004, it Was horrible. Justin, you were in my group. That place is so psychologically damaging, it should be illegal. I wish so badly I could have that time I lost back, I’m sure you all feel the same way. I look forward to the day when all these places are shut down.
Mi name is paul morrison I was also in greig hansens group five but spent most of mi time in the isolation unit on mi stumic in the cold hungry
Hey blake, weren’t you my staff buddy? I dont remember if thats what they called it. We had to be within arms reach at all times?
Hey blake, weren’t you my staff buddy? I dont remember if thats what they called it. We had to be within arms reach at all times? quiet guy, refused to talk. lost a shit ton of weight because i refused to eat
Blake Davis, We were at CC around the same time. I was there 2002-2003, was in group 4 with Thane.
I also learned integrity, and accountability there, and to be honest, they had some good people there that nourished me with love. I was on a path to destruction, MENACE, I never completed the program, but what I learned was PRICELESS.
I went to cross creek for about a year! this place saved my life. Apparently it’s shut down. I knew it would get shut down eventually. I got pulled and never graduated, thank god! But i hope they find something new to help troubled teens, everything is so sugar coated these days. I never got “Child abuse” but who knows what went on there…
Now, Firstly, child abuse can mean a few things to a few different people. To me, restraining someone who is violent or suicidal, is a justifiable means to restrain someone. For example, if a kid punches another kid and a staff restrains him, that is not abuse, because you would be more pissed if he did nothing and let the fight continue. Now if staff were not using force for reasonable situations, then that is abuse.
I attended Cross Creek from 2006-2008. The boy side staff were very relaxed and there was very few restraints. The only time I was restrained was when I was violent.
I do know that the girl side was a lot more strict and they were very anal about following the rules.
Now this may seem like I am sticking up for the place that tore my mind from reality and caused long turn problems. I did not have any issue with 90% of the staff. They were mostly just getting paid for work in a small town with a bad economy. Many of the staff had dreams to get rich and own nice cars and big houses. Many were doing it to get money for school. Some were doing it because night shift was simple, they were old, but wanted something to do. Some staff may have started their own corrupt program, but most of the staff were just normal people making a living. There was only 6 staff in that program that I didn’t trust. Kari and Kar,Ron June, Jeff(therapist), and two others I cant remember the names to. One was a therapist, the other a high level staff.
I can go into detail about everything I experienced, as I have a remarkable memory.
I also see what they “tried” to do in seminars, but people interpret it as brain washing. I know what was meant to be done, but they went about it the wrong way.
I look at things objectively and I don’t use bias or judgments. It is easier to see the truth when you don’t try to enforce your own beliefs on it.
Omg it is you Doug. This is drake Shafer. Been trying to find you forever now. Please get back with me. Dkcedrake@yahoo.com
Doug, if I remember you correctly, you stayed well after your 18th birthday. You were 19 and still there if I recall correctly. It seems like you still don’t know what to think. You said things were “relaxed” on the boys side. The point of everything is is that these programs lied and manipulated your parents for their financial gain. Any abuse that may have occurred is on top of that fact. From the get, what they did was illegal and immoral.
For everyone’s sack let’s thank our parents for avoiding another teen suicide statistic. Immoral or not, this place was designed to bring back full control of what little brain cells we had left to keep us out of a true institution. I bless everyone on here for the accountability of your thoughts and feelings. Remember they were teaching tools to survive anything and everything. Such as the Coronvirus Pandemic. God bless this mess.
It’s funny you mention suicide: more than half of the people I haven’t seen online that I’ve looked up have been either dead or in prison. I think the experience at CC did irreparable damage. Some managed that damage, others didn’t.
I was in group 3 with thane 06 through 08 ~Zach
Zach, is that you Penner?!? Love you brotha you were one of the few who really helped me get through that place. This Is Maysam Group 8. Last I talked to you you were in the Navy stations in Sacramento. Where you at these days?
Yooo Zach!!! Long time no see… It’s Jeff Stahr group 3 with Adam Thomson, Doogie, Austin, Mike Hayes, Eli, Josh Brey and Causus and the rest of them. So cool to see you on here. Hit me up Jeffstahr@gmail.com
Doug I was in your group when you got there I think I was level 3 at the time? I don’t remember it’s been years lol. Crazy, never thought I’d see your name pop up don’t know how I got down this trail of memories but hope you’re doing well man.
Thank you for getting this website going! Wish I would’ve found it earlier.
I was at CCM for six months in 1994. I was 17. I’d literally blocked out much of the details of this horrible place, and reading these stories have helped me remember, and my sense of outrage is renewed. I’m 36 now, and I don’t think I’ve ever gotten over the trauma of being kidnapped and locked up against my will at that tender age.
I recall being at Brightway, and staying at CCM at level 3. I was in A group, and completed to some, my therapist was not too bad.
My therapist wasn’t too bad, but I remember Garth and how most were scared of him. I know that I was drugged up with massive antidepressants and sedatives, which I still have abuse issues with. I remember that the guy in charge was Cameron, and I remember sick sadistic people like that pig Adrian, and his bland wife. What struck me at the time was how young they all were. Plus they were very strict Mormons, who really had never been to the outside world nor experienced the type of problems similar to what us girls had experienced, which explains their lack of empathy.
I was old enough at the time of my incarceration to realize it was a scam to get our parents money, and to bilk the insurance companies. The seminars were pure psychological manipulation, designed to promote hysteria and to break down the ego so that they could fill up our shattered personalities with whatever they wanted.
I am a relatively smart, strong person; but I’d be a fool of I didn’t think that this experience hasn’t damaged me in the long term. I’ve been addicted to prescription drugs and ended up in federal prison fire to my drug abuse. I don’t want to say that CCM is the cause of all my current problems, but I think that this place caused lasting damage that definitely contributed to my current problems.
Thank you for this website, please let me know if I can help in any way
Hi Sarah, if you’d like to join our facebook group, please do!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wwaspsurvivors/
Thanks Bill, I’ve already submitted a request to join. I wish I would’ve find this site years ago. I’ve got so many issues from this place that I still need to work out.
It’s great to know that there are so many others affected by this place, just makes me feel like I’m not alone in my experiences. That is very comforting, and will make it easier to heal. I’ve wanted to do something to shut these places down since I was 17, and I’d love to help of I can.
I know my parents spent a lot of money and were only trying to help me. I always thought I was ungrateful and felt guilty for being unloyal to my parents. But even at 17, I knew this place was wrong. No kids deserves to be kidnapped and locked up like that. And there were so many girls who were worse off than me. U only did six months, but I know some who w they’re for years. I mean, I’ve been to federal prison, and I can honestly say CCM was worse!
So please, anything I can do to help, please let me know
Ken Stettler, formerly head of Utah Human Services, has resigned and taken a job at Provo Canyon School as Executive Director. No wonder he was NOT helpful about the complaints against these Utah facilities. He is clearly one of them as I always suspected. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house!
And the wheels on the bus go round and round….
I too was in Cross Creek from Memorial Day weekend 2004-December 2005. I “graduated” the program. I remember being there and coming off of crystal meth and having them put me on all kind of psych meds. I also remember them trying to convert me to Mormonism on our graduation trip to Salt Lake City. I was in group 2 with Colin and Jeff. My worst experience there was when I was restrained because I didn’t sit down when they told me too. Robby, Tony, Justin, Sam, and Jean all attacked me. I remember I took Justin out then Tony came in and slammed my head on the floor. I remember getting scabbing on my forehead and blood vessels popping in my eye. They all sat around a table afterwards and wrote “statement of facts” to match up against mine. They also threw mine out. I would do anything for the tape of that fight, I would love to sue that place and I am extremely happy to hear that they are shut down. Its pathetic how they make your family not trust you and not believe your stories about the abuse. The only good thing that came out of that place is that I am still clean (9 years later). They traumatized me and I have PTSD and horrible social anxiety as a result of it.
Tony was the big blond hair fat guy right?
How do I get my records from the ccm? I have tried contacting years ago with no response.
Latest we have heard, you can contact Browning Academy (being run by Ken Kay) in Utah and he will send school transcripts/records for $50. Non-academic records are not available, as far as we know.
Bill, I was wondering the same thing. But I am also hoping (I know it most likely will not produce any results) to locate my medical/therapy records from that time. (I highly doubt that information transferred to High Impact with me. And if it did then it is definitely gone)
I spent 04-06 at cross creek. It has been on my mind a lot recently. I re connected with Norbert Lofe, and Kevin Thomas who both live close by. We were in group 5 with Mr Hansen and ms lona I hated both of them whole heartedly. This whole organization is so twisted I have wanted to go look these pathetic cowards face to face for years now. Mr Robby, Mr Dallas, Mr Tony, Mr Justin, Mr Brandon and Sam the one ton of fun. I’m a union electrician I have two beautiful kids and a loving wife. We follow the Lord and value family. None of this is due to cross creek I will never see how this helped my life. If places like this still exist they should burn to the ground. Nick didn’t need this place no one needed this lots of graduates from cross creek are or have since been to prison. Not jail for DUI straight convicted felons of violent and extreme crimes. These kids were nerds never used drugs or fought came to cross creek got reprogrammed and meanwhile heard the stories of others and lived a fight or flight life for years couldn’t handle real life. It was by far the craziest experience of my life. I’m so hyped Simone is righting a screen play I have always been told from others that cross creek sound like something from q arrested movie. I’m here for all of you and want to hear your stories and hopefully some of you recognize me. Oh I didn’t graduate after the little scuffle in the cafeteria with Preston and Raphael and a come clean done by a group mate I was too much of a liability to the state of Utah and was sent to camas ranch an affiliate of spring creek in Montana.
I spent 04-06 at cross creek. It has been on my mind a lot recently. I re connected with Norbert Lofe my best friend at cross creek and Kevin Thomas who is now one of my best ground they both also live close by. We were in group 5 with Mr Hansen and ms lona who I hated whole heartedly. This whole organization is so twisted I have wanted to go look these pathetic cowards face to face for years now. Mr Robby, Mr Dallas, Mr Tony, Mr Justin, Mr Brandon and Sam the one ton of fun. I’m a union electrician I have two beautiful kids and a loving wife. We follow the Lord and value family. None of this is due to cross creek I will never see how this helped my life. If places like this still exist they should burn to the ground. Nick didn’t need this place no one needed this lots of graduates from cross creek are or have since been to prison. Not jail for DUI straight convicted felons of violent and extreme crimes. These kids were nerds never used drugs or fought came to cross creek got reprogrammed and meanwhile heard the stories of others and lived a fight or flight life for years and when they got out they couldn’t handle real life. It was by far the craziest experience of my life. I’m so hyped someone is writing a screen play I have always been told from others that cross creek sounds like something from a twisted movie. I’m here for all of you and want to hear your stories and hopefully some of you recognize me. Oh I didn’t graduate after the little scuffle in the cafeteria with Preston and Raphael and a come clean done by a group mate I was too much of a liability to the state of Utah because I was now 18. I was court ordered to this facility. If I took my exit plan I would have served 5-7 years in California state. They led everyone including myself believe that is where i went. I was met outside by my dad who transfers me to camas ranch an affiliate of spring creek in Montana.
Dallas was a fucking pricky I hated him. I went to cross creek in 2006 but got kicked out and sent to Distant Drums
I remember you. I had just got there when you were going through some crazy manipulation shit. That’s good to hear man. Sounds like your doing great. Keep going. The more and more I see now how much more crazy that place has made me since leaving.
Seth S. Group 7. 2005-07
I was sitting directly across from Rafael when that went down. It was cereal for breakfast; I ended up wearing it. Preston had recently been moved from Group 7 because that other dude, Justin, got moved into our group and they were talking gang shit.
I wish I had a better memory for this stuff. I think my subconscious has pushed it all down.
Justin Silverman?????
Any one remember these two kids always staff buddies screaming IM THE DARK KNIGHT lol
I was in group 4 with thane for all of 2006. Anybody else there at the same time?
Seth s! I remember you. You were like the first dude outside of my group that talked to me. I don’t know why I’ve been thinking about this place a lot lately. I’m trying to find out if Alaskan Tyler wolf is the Tyler that got in a lot of trouble in Alaska. If anyone knows or they were in around for 06 let me know please.
With doug Morse comment. I have been looking for you for years Doug. this is drake. please email me. dkcedrake@yahoo.com. miss you man.
i myself was also imprisoned in this hellhole glad to finally start to see it all come crashing down
i was in grp 1 under jeff for 2 yrs.
Ya so was I. In 2006
Was up everyone. I was in Cross Creek in 07 I think it was. I used to spend most of my time in a yellow shirt. I did worksheets every night. I told off Ron Garrett every group meeting I could. Jeff was my counselor fuck that guy. Anyone remember Dallas? That stone cold prick can rot in hell. I’m glad they kicked me out. I went to Distant Drums. Way better program.
Jeff group 8?
Do you remember Willy Modisett? He was there for 18 months 2006-2008. I’d really like to know what went on. He’s been in trouble and jail since he came home
These people have left a permamnent scar on my loved and dearest friend and partner and should be financialy as all of these survivors should be vrewarded for she is unable to even acomplish some of the smallest social activities ,let alone take care of herself due to the timid and fearfull behavior that in hablts every movement in her life if it was not for my asistance she would be dead by now in the streets,this wasp seminars are sicker and more corupt than scientology and need o be hit where they live in the pocket besides Jeanette is having a hard time surviving due to these “”REWARDING???}”wasp pseminars I cant say how I actualy would like to make justice of what they have done to her,someone pleaase help us get invbolved in any and all litigation that is available to her ,she is and was a great kid and never deserved such alienation and dibilitating treatment she was just a confused little girl????? how dare them!
This place sucked. I was there in February 2003 never forget.
Craig Hansen and ms lona’s group, goddamn miss Lona. She was so smug eating her candy everyday and talking shit. This place tries to get you to say you hate your parents and your life is terrible, which is only true caus you’re in the place. Getting restrained, dude that part sucked. Worksheets for months. Eating a pop tart taking little rat bites so I could make it last all movie. Stealing all the lotions from my roommates, rolling up fake cigarettes, refusing meds, squaring up with me Chris in the isolation room before two other staff tackled me. Fuck that place. I was driving through Utah a while back and was gonna dump on their lawn but it was too far out of the way. What’s up Jeff ball, Ryan hall, who was the upper level dude who played guitar?
I was there from oct. 16th 2002 to June 24th 2004 in group 5 with Craig Hanson as well. That place and then mental torture/manipulation that he and Lona exhibited fucks with me to this day. I didn’t find out until later how bad the manipulation was, my parents would never have sent me out to Jamaica or somewhere, told them repeatedly that would never be an option. Can’t tell you how many times that was held over my head by Hanson, that they were a week away from sending me out of the country. Plane tickets almost bought etc. I personally witnessed abuse on multiple occasions in isolation and some, though not all, of the daily living staff were insufferable. Intentionally provoking kids, which many times resulted in flip outs and catagories and restraint. I still have nightmares where I’m back there. Fuck that place.
I was in an RTC in Hurricane two years ago (which cannot even be compared to the abuse of any WWASP school, but also completely endorses the regular treatment, borderline if not outright abusive dehumanizing bullshit) and we drove past this building twice a day every day on the way to school. I figured it was a shut-down RTC or an abandoned, ratty hotel but I never got any answers because none of the staff seemed to know. It’s insane knowing in hindsight that so much abuse went on in that building. I’m very sorry to anyone who had to live through this program. I’m having a shitty ass time recovering from my own experience in what was a fairly humane RTC as far as programs go, so I can’t even imagine the recovering needed to move past this place. My thoughts are with you all.
Hi there my name is Cassie Dicus I went to Crosscreek from October 2009 till January 2012 Crosscreek was my third boarding school I had ever attended Crosscreek was so abusive and crazy so I know a lot about the abuse that went on there and I was there I feel like recently I was at Crosscreek for so long I became a level six in group I was in K group which was Parker’s group which eventually turned into e-group with Jean Jepson as our family w I was at Crosscreek for so long I became a level six in group I was in K group which was Parker’s group which eventually turned into e-group with Jean Jepson as our family rep they used to tell my parents that I didn’t want to see them they tell me that my parents were coming I would really like to share my story
Cassie,
My name is Hannah and I attended CCM for 2 years.. from 2007-2009. I was also in K group with Parker and Jean. Although I will admit that I did grow quite close with them after 2 years of tough program time, it brings me chills and tears to re-live and truely assess the mental torture that I went through at this facility. I was one of the youngest (and probably most innocent) girls at the school, barely 13 when I was sent there by my scared parents. I was one of the girls who unfortunately spent days on end in isolation and was restrained several times. I even tried to run once. It terrifies me to recal how insane this place made me, when I was unable to speak to anyone for weeks at a time while in silence for too many categories. I still have nightmares to this day, and wonder if I should seek more therapy for it. I’m. Wet successful in my current life and have a flourishing social life, so no one knows what I’ve been through. I act like it never happened. But something inside of me still aches. You are not alone.
Hannah, I also attended CCM but I left in 2003. When did all of this start happening I was never mistreated or anything while I was there but I was in Norms group and then they moved me to B group with Brent I think his name was. When did they close down?
If you think you were not mistreated then you are an idiot. You were kidnapped, had your freedoms withdrawn, and were forced to follow a regiment that has no benefit whatsoever in the real world. On top of that, they stole your parents money by lying to them and brainwashing them into believing that you needed to be “fixed” and the program would “fix” you. You must have been a good little slave, and i bet you got off to belittling your peers when they gave you upper level status. You sound like the typical idiot who would believe that it helped you in some way. GTFOH.
What up ya’ll. I was there from 03-04 in group 7. I got lost down this rabbit hole, and Im seeing some familiar names pop up. Dave Miller, my man, miss you bud. There are other people on here I remember as well. I was in group with Corey Padilla, I even kicked it woth him in Santa Barbara after we got out.
I can100% agree with everything said in these posts. I watched it happening everyday. I fortunately was one of the few lucky ones who figured out how to get in and out of that place fast. Because I came straight from the juvenile system in California Mr Sam and R3 Dallas did my intake. My intake was a little different. I had a 3 hr meeting with those 2 and Ron. They wanted me to assure them I was not going to bring any of the detention center tendencies to their facility. I went along with the program and left those tendencies in the CDC.
I was moved up in levels fast especially when the sports season started. Ron had me do Cross Country for them and play on the Basketball team. Schools get money when they have sports programs that compete, so I have a feeling I wasn’t the only one getting leveled up fast for those purposes. I can name at least 3 other people in the same situation but ill keep their names off the post cause I haven’t seen them on here.
The ironic part of all this is that I own and operate a legal Cannabis Company in CA, go figure.
As for everyone on here, I hope you all are thriving in your lives. I can be found on social media if anyone wants to get in contact with me. Take care everyone.
Does anyone who went to cross creek know how to obtain our high school transcripts
its not possible since there is nobody to reach out. Also, Cross Creek or “Browning Academy” was not an accredited school.
I was at CC from 2002 – 2004. started off with douchebag parker in group 7. Then went to group 10 when that was made. God this place was the worst – I still partially hate my parents for it. I remember when I was level 6 and then was level 0 – oh boy the fun times!
Mr. KC, Mr. Sam., and Mr. Tony were pretty cool though – good times playing vball!!
And to imagine…what I was sent there for is now legal where I’m at…
miller.mDOTdaveATgmail.com
I will be getting access to the inside of the property that Cross Creek was located on. This is the property on North State St. I’m trying to gauge how important it is to others here to see the inside again as I’m thinking about documenting it. Please leave your feedback here
Yes, please. Make sure to document the basement and isolation, please. Thank you.
Ron Garrett is a bitch ass nigga. Fuck cross creek and if you enjoyed your time as a slave there then fuck you too.
I can’t find pics anywhere of the inside and have been looking and looking….
Whitney, did you have a younger brother there too? your name looks familiar..
Ron Garrett is now the Softball Director for the Huntsman Senior Games in St. George Utah.
The tape rooms were the only part that kept me sane. I was in that room for basically a year and a half straight, and it really expanded my mind when it came to literature and philosophy, the tapes and playing spades and reading and basketball as well as conversations with therapist Jeff Voorhees about music and paychology were the only things I enjoyed there . Also even though the education was totally bullshit, I was self motivated and interested in school again being away from drugs and hustling. The Sociology textbook was modern and really interesting. I managed to get my diploma in a year even though I had to finish tenth, eleventh and twelve grade. Because I was well behaved and never acted out, just refused to do the program because it was bullshit (same seminars in Scientology) and against everything I believe in, the staff liked me and most of them would let me write poems and short stories during the tapes. I was there for close to two years and I never even finished Discovery seminar. I literally told the charlatans that ran those seminars 5 different times that it was all bullshit and got kicked out. Because I had been in there for so long and heard every tape a million times and actually paid close attention to them and usually read the books from the library later, I could fill out the sheets without listening to the tape and would have the rest of the time to write poems, which I was really into at the time. I thought I was a young Robert Lowell or something in there. doubt I would have read all of Dostoevsky and Hemingway, etc at Cross Creek if I wasn’t exposed to it by the tapes. When I went in I only read shit like Bukowski and Hunter S Thompson. I feel like because of those tapes I have a pretty grounded base of philosophy and literature, and while I majored in Sociology with a business minor in college, I feel like I have a better grasp of those subjects from reading every single book I could when I was off staff buddy and from the tape room than my friends who majored in those fields.
Fuck Cross Creek. I was there for exactly 23 months from 02-04. Started with Parker in 7 and moved to 10 with brent? when it was made.
TBH I only try to remember the “good” parts… basketball, volleyball, board games, cards…
The only good part is my friend in there Nick leitner (spelling wrong) got me an awesome list of hip hop artists to get into…..been hooked for 15 years since
Dab life kids
Was crying on my couch tonight telling my girlfriend about the things that still haunt me from my childhood, being molested, seeing my friends die or go to prison, family members dieing, n then cross creek came up. I didn’t even realize I had any scars, but once I opened up about it, man did I realize it was a weight on my heart. A month on silence, being restrained, and the worst part by far is I look back and think that I somehow bought in to it and aided in the demise of others. I was there for 14 months around 2006, and stayed after turning 18 and graduated, and I want to sincerely apologize to anyone I participated in putting down or preventing from going home. Looking back now I’m ashamed that I became a pawn of the program and contributed in prolonging anyone’s stay. I’ll never be the same and I feel an obligation to make sure other kids don’t have to be trapped in these prisons where restraint, belittling, or cruel punishment are an every day occurrence. I can remember working in the kitchen and being told to make the worst possible meal for those in the isolation room, or 30 second showers, or the horrible tape room that would drive anyone insane. Again, I apologize for anyone I hurt.
To anybody that was at the location at 150 N. State St- at the bottom of this comment there is a google album link with pictures and videos mostly of the boys side as of September 2020. Leave any and all comments.
The facility pretty much looks exactly the same as it did when I was last there 13 years ago. The carpet, furniture, counter-tops, and even some of the motivational type posters are still on the wall. It’s a TRIP.
As you come in the front door of the boys building (main entrance) the area to left is now the check in area for the motel. I remember this being the place I saw my family for the first time on pass. The separate office/admin building in the parking lot is not used.
As you walk through the doorway, the main stairway is to you left. It was crazy walking up those stairs and remembering all the memories and remembering the last time I walked down them was when I got out-2 hours before my 18th birthday.
When I came to the top of the stairs, I noticed that all the “classrooms” in that corner of the building had signs on the that said “storage”. Really, they were all just empty and torn up, unused by the motel. To the right, which is where the hallway going towards SN and the other rooms, was closed off. Again, there’s a sign on the door saying “storage”. I know damn well there’s no storage back there! I checked to see if the door was locked, and when I noticed it wasn’t, I quietly went in and closed the door behind me. I couldn’t have imagined what was on the other side..
It was like a ghost town-everything looks like it would have on the last day. School chairs, desks, computers and monitors in the therapist offices, and a lot more are laying around everywhere. The same sick beds are even still there, with mattresses and blankets still in them. The med counter is still there with the nurse sign still right above it. The “SN” rooms and the two small rooms on that back wall have been patched up with some sheet rock. It’s crazy to think that those SN boxes are still there, just behind that wall.
The gymnasium and dining hall are completely closed off but I was able to take some pictures and video through the glass of the dining hall. Everything is still there, just laying around abandoned.
To everyone who spent time at this facility- I hope these pictures and videos can bring you some sort of closure. Like a lot of you, I had problems sleeping for many years, and only into my later twenties did I start to really deal with everything. It seemed like when I turned 30 this year, I started to think about things more again. And it seemed live every time I checked on someone, they ended up being either dead or in prison. This only made me think about things more and led me to making the drive out to La Verkin on a recent trip to Vegas.
If you’re struggling, just known you’re not alone. We all went through something that’s hard to fully explain to people who haven’t experienced it. The lying, manipulation of us and our parents, the psychological and emotional damage, isolation, and all the other fucked up shit they did is on them-not us. We did what we had to do to survive in there. If anybody, especially those I was there with, need someone to talk to, please get in touch. We made it, they didn’t.
Peace and Love,
Maysam
Group 8 September 2007-July 2008
LINK TO ALBUM: https://photos.app.goo.gl/rBdUCYeqz4ad92VC7
was anybody there from may 2012-october 2012?
Ricky Teixeira. i was in Craig Hansons group. july 2004 to april 28, 2006. my 18th bday. craig hanson is a liar, deceiver, and that place is the most dishonest place ever. you want to make a movie. cross creek was 100% a scam. a million dollar money making scam at childrens expense. and to any boy who lived there from 2004 to 2006 and didnt see abuse or experience it themselves is still programmed they will get a CAT 5 if they say the truth.
I find it interesting that most allegations of abuse are from kids who went there 2001-2006ish. I was here in 2010-2011, i never really saw “abuse”. I mean it was a profoundly unpleasant experience, seminars were a cult-like creepy fucking ritual where they try to mold you into someone else. Ron garrett, Parker were pretty bad. Parker is just an all-round prick.
The only thing I thank cross creek for is taking me out of a horrible environment, essentially in my case it saved me from jail and I graduated high school in a place I couldn’t do drugs or break the law. Had I stayed another few weeks at home, my record would have been ruined and I would never be able to achieve what I have today. Only for that, I thank my parents, not the program itself.
My son Christopher Caddell was in group 4 2003 and 2004. Do you remember him? He was murdered in 2009.
Fuck this school and it’s abuse towards people with mental problems. I hope you all burn in hell for your horrendous acts
Hi Shelley Karn from LV!! please anyone who attended the same time as me please reach out! I would love to find anyone there at the same time. Nicole Krieger, Jennifer Macdonald, Stephanie (little hippie girl who wouldn’t shave her pits or legs), Poppy Takagami, sunny Sam, Natalia Gutierrez from East LA, Rose who was the only girl that managed to run away & get all the way back to her home to Pueblo, Colorado twice, Alina & dozens more who were there the same time as me reach out:
katmd22@hotnail.com
I was at cross creek 1996-1997 would love to connect with others there during that time.
Went to cross creek/ horizon academy in 2011 I’m now 27 still dealing with trauma from this place.
Hello all survivors. I was at cross creek from 2001-2003; I was in H group and Corey was our therapist. The years of torture that place has left on my soul will never leave. The new documentary “the program” has opened some old scars. I’ve asked my family and husband to watch it, but no one has yet. I don’t know how else to explain what happened in there to them. Hillary, Kelly, Jerra..so many others; I think of you and hope you’re doing well these days.
@Julia Roberts. Sounds like I was there the same time as you: July 2001-April 2003. The film does a good job of showing what I have been trying to articulate over the years to my family about the abuses that went on. And so naturally I have wanted everyone in my family to watch it and have been met with the same result as you. I was abused consistently and systematically for 20 months but my siblings, and particularly my parents, can’t sit through a two-hour documentary about the abuse. That fucked me up.
@Julia Roberts, I was in H group with you! There’s a group of H group girls on Facebook trying to find you! I’d love to catch up! (Jamie Jones)